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Let's Talk about Sacrifice, Dedication, and Perseverance - Meet Rhiannon's Amazing Mom Cindy!
Rhiannon Graham, Miss Capital City Illinois, and her mother Cindy discussed their experiences as a single parent family. Cindy, a government employee and bartender, shared her struggles with finances, time management, and providing for Rhiannon. Rhiannon highlighted her mother's dedication, which inspired her to pursue a graduate degree in social work and advocate for single parents. They emphasized the importance of community support and creative solutions for financial and time management challenges. Cindy's sacrifices and Rhiannon's achievements underscored the resilience and love within their family, reinforcing the theme of the podcast, "Because They Matter."
We have a meaningful discussion with Rhiannon's mom, Cindy. Tune in as she shares her 20 year journey raising her amazing daughter. Truly, they have succeeded together as a team of two where the main goal was to raise an amazing daughter and give her the best life possible with no regrets.
Cindy shares about multiple factors from finances, where she had to cut corners, work multiple jobs, and ensure her daughter would be well rounded. She digs into time management, playing multiple roles, and putting parenting first rather than personal achievements and/or career interests.
She is now proud of her daughter's love for children, her heart of gold and how she always loves to help others. She also loves Rhiannon's willingness to try new things and her go getter spirit.
To connect with Scott Murray, email him at scott@murraymedia.net
To connect with Stacie Martin, email her at smartin@singleparentadvocate.org. You can follow Single Parent Advocate on Facebook and join their community.
To connect with Rhiannon Graham, email her at rhigraham4@gmail.com
To connect with Jelesa Warren, you can find her on Instagram @Jbirdflew or on You Tube here:
Welcome to another edition of because they matter, forever on a mission, committing to encouraging, educating and empowering parents, raising their children in an impactful and loving way, because they matter. Now, let's welcome our co host, former single parent mom and founder of single parent advocate in Dallas, Texas, Stacie Martin also along, founder of single but not alone, and the reigning Miss Capital City, Illinois, Brianna and Graham and I'm Scott Murray, speaker, author, journalist and CEO of the Scott Murray Scholarship Foundation and lifting spirits, building dreams. We welcome you all to because they matter. Hello again, everybody. Great to have you along for yet another edition of because they matter. I'm Scott, along with Stacie, and we're delighted to welcome you, but we also have yet another co host, and she, I might add, is up in the state of Illinois, and she has a very special guest who is going to be our special guest all show. So we're really excited about that. So I'll tell you what, take it away, Rhiannon, and tell us who your special guest is. Seated next to you, on your left. Well,
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Rhiannon Graham
1:19
I am ecstatic to have my mother join us today. She's been my rock, my mom, my person, my biggest supporter. So I'm excited to have her point of view on the podcast today and get to know both Stacie and
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Scott Murray
1:32
Scott. Fantastic, fantastic. And of course, for those that might be joining us for the first time, we're talking about single parents, single parent children, single parents themselves. So whether you're a parent of a single parent family, or whether you're a child in a single parent family, what it's like, what you endured, and what you've had to go through, and the positives, the negatives, and the things that we all want to help just make, you know, be positive and productive in a purposeful way moving forward. Right, right, right, right, right, right. And we also would be remiss if we didn't also Wave your flag so you can tell the world out there who you are in the state of Illinois. Because I am most impressed,
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Rhiannon Graham
2:13
yes. So my name is Rhiannon Graham, and I'm the current Miss capital city here in Illinois for the Miss America organization, and through the Miss America organization, each girl has a platform that they're passionate on and advocate through mine is single, but not alone, advocating for single parent families, which was established about four years ago due to the struggles my mom and I went through when she became a single parent when I was only four years old. So I'm really excited to dive into those conversations today, and I make this can be really special episode,
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Scott Murray
2:41
and tell us quickly before we get into it. Siblings. Did you have brothers? Sisters?
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Rhiannon Graham
2:45
No. So I'm an only child, so it's just been us for a long time.
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Scott Murray
2:49
Okay, that's good. That's great. All right. Well, do you want to get us going? Or do you want, would you like to ask the first question to your mom? Or how do you want to start? I
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Rhiannon Graham
2:57
would love to we can. I can start with the first question. Go for it. Do you just want to tell us a little bit about yourself, what you do for work, different things of that nature? Great.
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Rhiannon's Mother
3:05
Yes, I'm Cindy. I'm rhiannon's mom. As she said, I've been a single parent for 19 years, and the struggle is real. I currently work, and I have for many years, for the government. I work for their child youth program services, so I also work with children, and I have pretty much most of my life. And to make ends meet, I've worked two jobs most of my life, so I also bartend. I'm also a bartender. It's a strange mix, but it's worked. It's worked for us. Now, what
3:42
kind of bar is it?
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Rhiannon's Mother
3:44
It's a it's a low key one. It's a low key I actually, I don't want to put out advertising for anybody, but actually it's a moose, a moose club. So, good people,
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Stacie Martin
3:54
good people. Very
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Scott Murray
3:55
good, very good. Wow. Well, if you know, I'll jump in here just for a second. And Rhiannon, please, you're running the show here. So you jump in at any time. But Stace and I'll just drop in here occasionally. I just wondered being a single mom, and as you look back, you said, 19 years what were the three toughest things that you had to endure as a single mom?
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Rhiannon's Mother
4:19
Three toughest things I get emotional finances, was always, has always been the top one, because when you are running a household, most people two can live cheaper than one. When you're one person running a household and paying for everything, you got to cut so many quarters and get so creative, it's just, it's an ongoing stress. So that would be the main one. The second one was just concerns that, am I going to be able to provide everything for my child, and I get to have a well rounded child, she's got an absent father for the most part, is that going to. Hurt her in the future, just always concerned about her well being and where she was going to end up in the world. So I'd have to say that would be number two, oh, geez. Number three, I would say maybe time management. Yeah, time management. Time management, because as a single parent, you are the everything. You're the chauffeur, you're the room. Mom, room mom, I was the pageant. Mom, the sports. Mom, very connected doing you know the gardener outside that you there's no job, that's not your job, and you're a single parent.
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Rhiannon Graham
5:36
And I think on top of that, it's important to note too that she worked jobs that surrounded my schedule, I was really blessed with a great mom who put me first as a single parent, and my school that I went to didn't have bussing, so my mom was working late hours of the night, and then getting up early to take me to school so she could be available. And then actually even worked at the school as was recessed, yeah, recess sometimes to make a little extra money so she could be on my schedule to be a parent. Yeah,
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Rhiannon's Mother
6:04
that's how bartended tending really fit in was I was able to I had quit my job working with children at the time when I got married, because we had agreed that we weren't going to send our child to child care. We would raise our child, and I was determined to raise my child, because many years I have worked raising other people's children, so to speak, and I was determined I wanted to raise and enjoy my own. So I went back to bartending, and I would do it during the week, at night, therefore Rhiannon would sleep, and I wouldn't be absent, which took a toll on me a lot, because I would work, come home sleep a couple hours. Of course, she had a sitter, but I would sleep for a couple hours. I would get up, get her breakfast, get her lunch, get her off to school, because we didn't have a bussing system here, where we live. And then I would go back home and go to sleep for a couple more hours, and then I would take a shower and get up and be that well, put together mom to pick her up. But this, as you know, that can be a really long, stressful life to You know, do what you could, but you got to do what you got to do to make it work.
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Stacie Martin
7:17
Well, I really applaud you for what you just Yeah, I
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Speaker 1
7:20
know if she's Miss Illinois, what would you be mom of the year? Tired.
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Rhiannon Graham
7:27
Mom Illinois.
7:28
Mom Illinois, okay,
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Rhiannon Graham
7:32
Mama, Illinois,
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Rhiannon's Mother
7:33
yes. We're hoping she's been working hard.
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Stacie Martin
7:37
We know she's got this in the back. Well,
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Scott Murray
7:38
let me, let me ask you this, then again, the three things you cherish most about being the mom of of her is, you know what comes to mind? What makes her special? What are you proudest of when you see all the things that she she's done, and a lot of it's because of you? Certainly it's most obvious, even in the short time that we've met here, what is, was it you cherish most about her three things that come to mind. One is, she
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Rhiannon's Mother
8:03
has a heart of gold. She always loves the underdog. You're gonna make me cry. She, you know, she, she, even when she was little, we passed by, you know, less fortunate people and stuff, and she paid attention. You know, I can't tell you how many times we would be like at a McDonald's or something, she ate emotional, and we would notice people counting change. And mind you, we didn't have a whole lot more than that ourselves, but she would want to help, and we would help to the extent we could. So I'd have to say, since a little girl, she's always been a giver, so that I cherish with her, that she's got a big heart, and she had the love for children as it's so do i so that that I cherish about her. Let me see three. I'll
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Rhiannon Graham
8:52
actually beginning. I don't know if I've said it on this podcast yet, but I recently actually got accepted into Southern Illinois University to get my graduate degree in social work. So I'll be working with children, and my dream is to open my own non for profitable families too. So I think a lot of that stems from having such a great mom and present mom too, and that's when
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Speaker 1
9:11
you're moving to Dallas with your mom right to open that bed. Yeah,
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Rhiannon Graham
9:17
a lot warmer I hear there. Yes, it is.
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Speaker 1
9:19
A lot of the winners are much, much kinder and much nicer.
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Rhiannon's Mother
9:24
Yes. So yeah, she's got so many qualities, I would have to say another one is and I probably distilled it in her, but she'll tell you, I always told her, whenever she was interested in something at school or outside of school, I always said, just try it. Just try it. I always told her, just try you know, you might like it if you don't, what's the worst that can happen then? Then we try something else. So she is always trying stuff. Always tried stuff. And now I think I'm exhausted. She's tried so much stuff. But, you know, I love that quality. And. Her, she she sees something she wants, and she goes after,
10:04
just try it, because you can, yeah,
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Rhiannon's Mother
10:06
why not? I mean, if they don't like it, then move on and try something else. That's
10:10
exactly right. Well, you know, I
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Stacie Martin
10:11
kind of want to ask you a question, you know, you talk about, just try it, you know. And all the different things Rhiannon has tried and and and certainly on, you know, from your perspective, I recall, as a single mom, my son was in soccer. He did soccer, he did acting, he did music, he had friends and different activities that they all did. And there were a lot of times I couldn't pay, you know, for him to go to camp with his friends or to go do any and I had a great career. But of course, you know, life is expensive, especially on a single income when you don't have, you know, the other parent really playing a part. And I hear here you talk about that, what were if there were single parents listening to us today, what would you say about coming up with the money and the time and that even in the face of a financial squeeze, how were you able to work it out so that Rhiannon could Go do these extracurricular things? Did you find some resources? How did that work out?
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Rhiannon's Mother
11:24
On a prayer always,
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Stacie Martin
11:29
obviously,
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Rhiannon's Mother
11:30
it just always worked out. A lot of them that we got involved in was through the school. So luckily, that was minimal expenses. You know, her father wasn't very active in her life. He did. I could get him to contribute here and there for extra activities in court, from court, you know, we went to court and, you know, that's a whole another chapter. Oh my gosh, the things I could tell you. But anyways, we he made quite a bit of money. He was not hurting. So he would contribute a certain amount to sports and different stuff. And we would just have to get creative and stretch it, and I would add to it, and we would find like with what pageants, which isn't a sport, but that was huge in her life. Since she was three. We would network. I would network with the other moms, and we'd see a pretty dress, and we knew the girl is growing out of it. And I would reach out and say, oh, you know, if you want to get rid of that dress, we would love. We'd be interested. And we were just always keeping our eyes open. I would go to garage sales or dress sales that they would have. And I would think ahead, buy a size bigger. If I found a good deal, I would just buy something bigger and hold on to it. And just always thinking ahead, always thinking ahead kids that outgrew some gear for soccer, you know, just always, I'd say, always just thinking ahead
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Rhiannon Graham
13:00
and going off that to something really interesting that I've been able to do with the title of Miss capital city is I've started online campaign called Miss affordable, where I have been sharing my tips and tricks of how to compete in this organization affordable, because the truth is, it's it is expensive to compete in pageants, and we really do it to earn scholarship dollars to further education. But there is tips and tricks that you can learn, like some of them. She mentioned that you can compete in pageants affordably. Yeah,
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Rhiannon's Mother
13:28
I remember gluing rhinestones on things so my fingers stuck together. Think I went to work with rhinestones stuck on my pants. I'm, you know, you know, you just start learning that the things you can do that you didn't even know you could do, you know, because anything got farther in pageants, it got, unfortunately, steeper prices and steeper competition. And, you know, you had to be more precise with your stuff too. So, you know, just and with the sports, we just networked, I guess, networked, and made it work. I remember, when you were a preteen, you needed a costume for her baton, and I was like, God, I can't even afford it, you know? I don't even know. And we went looking at some thrift stores, and there it was. I took it home, what cleaned it stoned. It good as and she was more on the miss all my stage. It was more on the Miss Illinois stage, and nobody ever knew it. Yeah. And
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Rhiannon Graham
14:27
actually, my talent costume this year for Miss Illinois in June too, is, I like to say it's a DIY piece. We ordered the body suit. We're gonna rhyme so ourself, instead of paying for a Couture piece that could be for 1000s of dollars, and you would never know the difference, because we've just learned those learned those tips and tricks along the way. And when
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Stacie Martin
14:46
you're doing that, you know, tell, tell me a little bit about what this quality time has done for you, Rhiannon, and certainly I know what it's done for your mom, but I would love you. To kind of dig into, you know, many single parents, we work or, you know, we go and we are working 60 hours a week, two jobs to your point, a lot of times. And we, I know I was separated from my son. I felt horrible about it. I was gone a lot, but it sounds to me like this pageantry and landing on that and working on strategies to succeed together. What has that done in your in in your quality of life? Well,
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Rhiannon Graham
15:34
I would just like to take this opportunity to everything that she has done set me up for success by working those hours has led me to the person I am in front of you today. I am the hard worker. I am because of her, and I know I can succeed, because if she could do it, I could do it. So that's why I credit my success to going to grad school to being a candidate for Miss Illinois. It's all for her, because if I didn't have her backing me, I wouldn't be here. So it's truly just, you know, I can always count her. She's always there for me, even if, you know, I needed a school poster at nine o'clock at night and I forgot, or I need something done late, she'll stay up with me, even though she has to get up early for work. She's my rock, and I couldn't do any of this without her. And
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Stacie Martin
16:16
Cindy, maybe you can share a little bit about, you know, what? How does your heart feel when you get to really benefit by spending this kind of time with Rhiannon? Like it's
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Rhiannon's Mother
16:28
been great because, you know, it's the two of us, which, I mean, it's great because we're a team, but it's a little bit bittersweet, because it's, I don't want to say lonely, but we lack family. You know what I mean? It's the two of us, not always a dog, the two of us, and we make it work. You know what I mean? So we have a strong relationship, but I don't know, but it's hard. There's room for more. You know? There's room for more.
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Rhiannon Graham
16:59
So one day, I hope to get married and have my own family. And I know you would love to get remarried one day too, but I know at the end of the day, we can always count on each other and the dog.
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Scott Murray
17:09
No, I was going to say that, do you do you want to be married someday soon? Ranna and and, and, you know? And then what about your mom? I have no idea what, what's going on in her life now. But if you got married, if you got married, Rihanna, she could become a grandmother. And, you know, and I just, I just became a grandfather eight months ago, first time. And, you know, for somebody that wanted to be a pediatrician, that went to college to become a pediatrician, just to, just to, you know, my gosh, that's, that's my grandson. So that's very, it's a very exciting time. So, you know, many years
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Rhiannon Graham
17:44
down the road, still, right now, okay, grad school, getting my degree in social understand, no, many years on the road, but yes, one day, I'm hoping that she'll become a grandma and that glamor to a dog. Yeah, well,
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Scott Murray
17:56
that's, that's what I wondered, if you because a lot of people today don't, want to be married and have children, and as I go
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Rhiannon's Mother
18:07
no regrets, because my main goal in life was to raise my daughter and give her the best life I could, and I would never change thing. But I do think I, as a result of being a single parent, put my life on a back burner for many, many, many years, I didn't date a lot because, well, I was quite frankly tired for one for two. I was determined to make our home and everything we did a safe space, because I felt like she had been through so much at a young age just with a divorce, that I wasn't going to be that mom that was introducing her to different men in and out of her life, or letting her get attached to somebody that wasn't going to work out. So I was very selective and very didn't really date a whole lot, because I wanted to put her first, and then she was so very busy and so many things that there wasn't a lot of time for myself to be honest with you. Um, well, good
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Scott Murray
19:06
for you, good. Good for you, that you made that sacrifice because your daughter has turned out great and and obviously you've got some time now as she moves on with her life to maybe somebody might come into your life. So you never know. But I Yeah, God willing.
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Rhiannon Graham
19:23
So I'm curious just to ask you, what is it like to see me advocate for single parents on the state and national level and have these partnerships and just kind of have taken this on as my passion in life and as a future, future social worker.
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Rhiannon's Mother
19:38
Well, of course, it makes me proud, and I get teary eyed every time there's an event that she's, you know, advocating for her impact initiative and it but I've also had to open up some and share a lot of not so great details about being a single parent with her, because she since she has. Has taken this on a single parent, single but not alone. She digs and wants to know more from me, and I spent so many years, and you could probably know as a single mom, trying to not let her see the struggles. I wanted her just to have a normal childhood and enjoy life. I didn't want her to worry about money, how we're going to afford five meals, seven meals, whatever, for the next week. I was going to make that work, where I was going to get the gas to go to the next soccer game. I tried to suppress all that. So now, when she asked me, it's hard to I don't want to say Be truthful, but really go back and lay it out as bad as it was, you know, so little by little, you know, I've had to tell her more. And I think she, you know, I don't want to ruin her childhood, because, you know, she didn't realize that it was that rough.
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Stacie Martin
20:54
Well, to your point, you know, I would ask you now looking back, you know, do you feel like maybe you hid a little too much? Like,
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Rhiannon's Mother
21:08
yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe, um. But, you know, I guess it's a fine line, because I wouldn't really say it was sheltering her, but I wanted her to be a child as long as she could always have promoted dolls for as long as she wanted to play with it. All of that I just wanted, and I've always worked with children myself, so I I just wanted her not to be concerned with adult issues, because I feel like all too soon that you have to, you know. So I just wanted her to, you know, live life and enjoy it and know what she needed to know at those times.
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Scott Murray
21:46
I don't want to take sides here, but I'll sound like that the guy here, not the not the former father or anything. But I mean to your question, I think it's great what mom did. Would you not agree? Oh, absolutely.
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Stacie Martin
21:59
But I think sometimes, just speaking with so many single parents, you know, sometimes that really hurts us, and we can't be our best when we're hiding too much from our kiddos. And, you know, trying to feel like you have to hide your problems. Kind of affects your self worth? Well,
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Rhiannon's Mother
22:26
yeah, I guess, I guess I could see that, but I would, I would buy I'm the number one thing I even to this day, I still protect my children. My son made me a grandfather. My daughter is a an executive VP in a a major, major corporation that I'll, I'll not mention, but on the air, but it's one of the biggest corporations in in the country, and so I'm very proud of her, but she, she's such a workaholic, she hasn't had time to to get get married or, you know, but I know, you know, the day will come, but I even to this day, protect my daughter or defend, you know, as best I can. I don't know if that other, other grandfathers or other people my age do that, but I'll always be concerned about, you know. And of course, now I work with my son. I've worked with my son the last 15 plus years. You know, it just he's my business partner. I, I remember when, when we won our Emmy for the documentary we went to to Normandy with, you know, they told us, if you're if you're called, you get 20 seconds to say your thank you. You You know how the Emmy go at night, everybody talks forever, and they're Come on, and the music starts playing. So when they called our name, his his mother burst into tears and and and so we got up and he said, Dad, you want to hold the Emmy up there on the stage? They have one up there for everybody to hold. Or do you want to say the word? I said, it's up to you. He said, You talk. I'll hold the Emmy. I said, All right, well, I get up there, and I just said, I want to thank the academy. I guess that's what you're supposed to do here as we kick it off. Certainly thank the Academy for this incredible award, something I remember as a kid growing up, and many of my friends from NBC are here in front of me. It's great to see many of my my former working mates. But I said, the guy I really want to thank is this guy to my right, who was the photographer for for all that we, you know, all that we did. He shot all this incredible video and, you know, and then he also, he also happens to be my business partner, because we have a television production company together. But I said the most important thing is he also happens to be my son. Well, the audience just, you know, some people stood up and they started clapping. But, I mean, you could hear the, oh, the oh, you know, just blown away how emotional it was. And so that's, you know, that to this day, I still, you know, he's my business partner. Everybody's my son first, and always will be so I see, you know, well, said, yeah, that's that's I always, I watch over both of them to this day.
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Rhiannon Graham
25:09
And with that being said, what is your biggest advice after being a single parent for almost 20 years? What's your biggest advice to the single parents or single moms who may be listening? Oh, that's
Welcome to another edition of because they matter, forever on a mission, committing to encouraging, educating and empowering parents, raising their children in an impactful and loving way, because they matter. Now, let's welcome our co host, former single parent mom and founder of single parent advocate in Dallas, Texas, Stacie Martin also along, founder of single but not alone, and the reigning Miss Capital City, Illinois, Brianna and Graham and I'm Scott Murray, speaker, author, journalist and CEO of the Scott Murray Scholarship Foundation and lifting spirits, building dreams. We welcome you all to because they matter. Hello again, everybody. Great to have you along for yet another edition of because they matter. I'm Scott, along with Stacie, and we're delighted to welcome you, but we also have yet another co host, and she, I might add, is up in the state of Illinois, and she has a very special guest who is going to be our special guest all show. So we're really excited about that. So I'll tell you what, take it away, Rhiannon, and tell us who your special guest is. Seated next to you, on your left. Well,
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Rhiannon Graham
1:19
I am ecstatic to have my mother join us today. She's been my rock, my mom, my person, my biggest supporter. So I'm excited to have her point of view on the podcast today and get to know both Stacie and
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Scott Murray
1:32
Scott. Fantastic, fantastic. And of course, for those that might be joining us for the first time, we're talking about single parents, single parent children, single parents themselves. So whether you're a parent of a single parent family, or whether you're a child in a single parent family, what it's like, what you endured, and what you've had to go through, and the positives, the negatives, and the things that we all want to help just make, you know, be positive and productive in a purposeful way moving forward. Right, right, right, right, right, right. And we also would be remiss if we didn't also Wave your flag so you can tell the world out there who you are in the state of Illinois. Because I am most impressed,
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Rhiannon Graham
2:13
yes. So my name is Rhiannon Graham, and I'm the current Miss capital city here in Illinois for the Miss America organization, and through the Miss America organization, each girl has a platform that they're passionate on and advocate through mine is single, but not alone, advocating for single parent families, which was established about four years ago due to the struggles my mom and I went through when she became a single parent when I was only four years old. So I'm really excited to dive into those conversations today, and I make this can be really special episode,
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Scott Murray
2:41
and tell us quickly before we get into it. Siblings. Did you have brothers? Sisters?
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Rhiannon Graham
2:45
No. So I'm an only child, so it's just been us for a long time.
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Scott Murray
2:49
Okay, that's good. That's great. All right. Well, do you want to get us going? Or do you want, would you like to ask the first question to your mom? Or how do you want to start? I
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Rhiannon Graham
2:57
would love to we can. I can start with the first question. Go for it. Do you just want to tell us a little bit about yourself, what you do for work, different things of that nature? Great.
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Rhiannon's Mother
3:05
Yes, I'm Cindy. I'm rhiannon's mom. As she said, I've been a single parent for 19 years, and the struggle is real. I currently work, and I have for many years, for the government. I work for their child youth program services, so I also work with children, and I have pretty much most of my life. And to make ends meet, I've worked two jobs most of my life, so I also bartend. I'm also a bartender. It's a strange mix, but it's worked. It's worked for us. Now, what
3:42
kind of bar is it?
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Rhiannon's Mother
3:44
It's a it's a low key one. It's a low key I actually, I don't want to put out advertising for anybody, but actually it's a moose, a moose club. So, good people,
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Stacie Martin
3:54
good people. Very
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Scott Murray
3:55
good, very good. Wow. Well, if you know, I'll jump in here just for a second. And Rhiannon, please, you're running the show here. So you jump in at any time. But Stace and I'll just drop in here occasionally. I just wondered being a single mom, and as you look back, you said, 19 years what were the three toughest things that you had to endure as a single mom?
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Rhiannon's Mother
4:19
Three toughest things I get emotional finances, was always, has always been the top one, because when you are running a household, most people two can live cheaper than one. When you're one person running a household and paying for everything, you got to cut so many quarters and get so creative, it's just, it's an ongoing stress. So that would be the main one. The second one was just concerns that, am I going to be able to provide everything for my child, and I get to have a well rounded child, she's got an absent father for the most part, is that going to. Hurt her in the future, just always concerned about her well being and where she was going to end up in the world. So I'd have to say that would be number two, oh, geez. Number three, I would say maybe time management. Yeah, time management. Time management, because as a single parent, you are the everything. You're the chauffeur, you're the room. Mom, room mom, I was the pageant. Mom, the sports. Mom, very connected doing you know the gardener outside that you there's no job, that's not your job, and you're a single parent.
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Rhiannon Graham
5:36
And I think on top of that, it's important to note too that she worked jobs that surrounded my schedule, I was really blessed with a great mom who put me first as a single parent, and my school that I went to didn't have bussing, so my mom was working late hours of the night, and then getting up early to take me to school so she could be available. And then actually even worked at the school as was recessed, yeah, recess sometimes to make a little extra money so she could be on my schedule to be a parent. Yeah,
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Rhiannon's Mother
6:04
that's how bartended tending really fit in was I was able to I had quit my job working with children at the time when I got married, because we had agreed that we weren't going to send our child to child care. We would raise our child, and I was determined to raise my child, because many years I have worked raising other people's children, so to speak, and I was determined I wanted to raise and enjoy my own. So I went back to bartending, and I would do it during the week, at night, therefore Rhiannon would sleep, and I wouldn't be absent, which took a toll on me a lot, because I would work, come home sleep a couple hours. Of course, she had a sitter, but I would sleep for a couple hours. I would get up, get her breakfast, get her lunch, get her off to school, because we didn't have a bussing system here, where we live. And then I would go back home and go to sleep for a couple more hours, and then I would take a shower and get up and be that well, put together mom to pick her up. But this, as you know, that can be a really long, stressful life to You know, do what you could, but you got to do what you got to do to make it work.
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Stacie Martin
7:17
Well, I really applaud you for what you just Yeah, I
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Speaker 1
7:20
know if she's Miss Illinois, what would you be mom of the year? Tired.
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Rhiannon Graham
7:27
Mom Illinois.
7:28
Mom Illinois, okay,
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Rhiannon Graham
7:32
Mama, Illinois,
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Rhiannon's Mother
7:33
yes. We're hoping she's been working hard.
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Stacie Martin
7:37
We know she's got this in the back. Well,
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Scott Murray
7:38
let me, let me ask you this, then again, the three things you cherish most about being the mom of of her is, you know what comes to mind? What makes her special? What are you proudest of when you see all the things that she she's done, and a lot of it's because of you? Certainly it's most obvious, even in the short time that we've met here, what is, was it you cherish most about her three things that come to mind. One is, she
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Rhiannon's Mother
8:03
has a heart of gold. She always loves the underdog. You're gonna make me cry. She, you know, she, she, even when she was little, we passed by, you know, less fortunate people and stuff, and she paid attention. You know, I can't tell you how many times we would be like at a McDonald's or something, she ate emotional, and we would notice people counting change. And mind you, we didn't have a whole lot more than that ourselves, but she would want to help, and we would help to the extent we could. So I'd have to say, since a little girl, she's always been a giver, so that I cherish with her, that she's got a big heart, and she had the love for children as it's so do i so that that I cherish about her. Let me see three. I'll
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Rhiannon Graham
8:52
actually beginning. I don't know if I've said it on this podcast yet, but I recently actually got accepted into Southern Illinois University to get my graduate degree in social work. So I'll be working with children, and my dream is to open my own non for profitable families too. So I think a lot of that stems from having such a great mom and present mom too, and that's when
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Speaker 1
9:11
you're moving to Dallas with your mom right to open that bed. Yeah,
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Rhiannon Graham
9:17
a lot warmer I hear there. Yes, it is.
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Speaker 1
9:19
A lot of the winners are much, much kinder and much nicer.
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Rhiannon's Mother
9:24
Yes. So yeah, she's got so many qualities, I would have to say another one is and I probably distilled it in her, but she'll tell you, I always told her, whenever she was interested in something at school or outside of school, I always said, just try it. Just try it. I always told her, just try you know, you might like it if you don't, what's the worst that can happen then? Then we try something else. So she is always trying stuff. Always tried stuff. And now I think I'm exhausted. She's tried so much stuff. But, you know, I love that quality. And. Her, she she sees something she wants, and she goes after,
10:04
just try it, because you can, yeah,
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Rhiannon's Mother
10:06
why not? I mean, if they don't like it, then move on and try something else. That's
10:10
exactly right. Well, you know, I
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Stacie Martin
10:11
kind of want to ask you a question, you know, you talk about, just try it, you know. And all the different things Rhiannon has tried and and and certainly on, you know, from your perspective, I recall, as a single mom, my son was in soccer. He did soccer, he did acting, he did music, he had friends and different activities that they all did. And there were a lot of times I couldn't pay, you know, for him to go to camp with his friends or to go do any and I had a great career. But of course, you know, life is expensive, especially on a single income when you don't have, you know, the other parent really playing a part. And I hear here you talk about that, what were if there were single parents listening to us today, what would you say about coming up with the money and the time and that even in the face of a financial squeeze, how were you able to work it out so that Rhiannon could Go do these extracurricular things? Did you find some resources? How did that work out?
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Rhiannon's Mother
11:24
On a prayer always,
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Stacie Martin
11:29
obviously,
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Rhiannon's Mother
11:30
it just always worked out. A lot of them that we got involved in was through the school. So luckily, that was minimal expenses. You know, her father wasn't very active in her life. He did. I could get him to contribute here and there for extra activities in court, from court, you know, we went to court and, you know, that's a whole another chapter. Oh my gosh, the things I could tell you. But anyways, we he made quite a bit of money. He was not hurting. So he would contribute a certain amount to sports and different stuff. And we would just have to get creative and stretch it, and I would add to it, and we would find like with what pageants, which isn't a sport, but that was huge in her life. Since she was three. We would network. I would network with the other moms, and we'd see a pretty dress, and we knew the girl is growing out of it. And I would reach out and say, oh, you know, if you want to get rid of that dress, we would love. We'd be interested. And we were just always keeping our eyes open. I would go to garage sales or dress sales that they would have. And I would think ahead, buy a size bigger. If I found a good deal, I would just buy something bigger and hold on to it. And just always thinking ahead, always thinking ahead kids that outgrew some gear for soccer, you know, just always, I'd say, always just thinking ahead
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Rhiannon Graham
13:00
and going off that to something really interesting that I've been able to do with the title of Miss capital city is I've started online campaign called Miss affordable, where I have been sharing my tips and tricks of how to compete in this organization affordable, because the truth is, it's it is expensive to compete in pageants, and we really do it to earn scholarship dollars to further education. But there is tips and tricks that you can learn, like some of them. She mentioned that you can compete in pageants affordably. Yeah,
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Rhiannon's Mother
13:28
I remember gluing rhinestones on things so my fingers stuck together. Think I went to work with rhinestones stuck on my pants. I'm, you know, you know, you just start learning that the things you can do that you didn't even know you could do, you know, because anything got farther in pageants, it got, unfortunately, steeper prices and steeper competition. And, you know, you had to be more precise with your stuff too. So, you know, just and with the sports, we just networked, I guess, networked, and made it work. I remember, when you were a preteen, you needed a costume for her baton, and I was like, God, I can't even afford it, you know? I don't even know. And we went looking at some thrift stores, and there it was. I took it home, what cleaned it stoned. It good as and she was more on the miss all my stage. It was more on the Miss Illinois stage, and nobody ever knew it. Yeah. And
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Rhiannon Graham
14:27
actually, my talent costume this year for Miss Illinois in June too, is, I like to say it's a DIY piece. We ordered the body suit. We're gonna rhyme so ourself, instead of paying for a Couture piece that could be for 1000s of dollars, and you would never know the difference, because we've just learned those learned those tips and tricks along the way. And when
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Stacie Martin
14:46
you're doing that, you know, tell, tell me a little bit about what this quality time has done for you, Rhiannon, and certainly I know what it's done for your mom, but I would love you. To kind of dig into, you know, many single parents, we work or, you know, we go and we are working 60 hours a week, two jobs to your point, a lot of times. And we, I know I was separated from my son. I felt horrible about it. I was gone a lot, but it sounds to me like this pageantry and landing on that and working on strategies to succeed together. What has that done in your in in your quality of life? Well,
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Rhiannon Graham
15:34
I would just like to take this opportunity to everything that she has done set me up for success by working those hours has led me to the person I am in front of you today. I am the hard worker. I am because of her, and I know I can succeed, because if she could do it, I could do it. So that's why I credit my success to going to grad school to being a candidate for Miss Illinois. It's all for her, because if I didn't have her backing me, I wouldn't be here. So it's truly just, you know, I can always count her. She's always there for me, even if, you know, I needed a school poster at nine o'clock at night and I forgot, or I need something done late, she'll stay up with me, even though she has to get up early for work. She's my rock, and I couldn't do any of this without her. And
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Stacie Martin
16:16
Cindy, maybe you can share a little bit about, you know, what? How does your heart feel when you get to really benefit by spending this kind of time with Rhiannon? Like it's
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Rhiannon's Mother
16:28
been great because, you know, it's the two of us, which, I mean, it's great because we're a team, but it's a little bit bittersweet, because it's, I don't want to say lonely, but we lack family. You know what I mean? It's the two of us, not always a dog, the two of us, and we make it work. You know what I mean? So we have a strong relationship, but I don't know, but it's hard. There's room for more. You know? There's room for more.
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Rhiannon Graham
16:59
So one day, I hope to get married and have my own family. And I know you would love to get remarried one day too, but I know at the end of the day, we can always count on each other and the dog.
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Scott Murray
17:09
No, I was going to say that, do you do you want to be married someday soon? Ranna and and, and, you know? And then what about your mom? I have no idea what, what's going on in her life now. But if you got married, if you got married, Rihanna, she could become a grandmother. And, you know, and I just, I just became a grandfather eight months ago, first time. And, you know, for somebody that wanted to be a pediatrician, that went to college to become a pediatrician, just to, just to, you know, my gosh, that's, that's my grandson. So that's very, it's a very exciting time. So, you know, many years
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Rhiannon Graham
17:44
down the road, still, right now, okay, grad school, getting my degree in social understand, no, many years on the road, but yes, one day, I'm hoping that she'll become a grandma and that glamor to a dog. Yeah, well,
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Scott Murray
17:56
that's, that's what I wondered, if you because a lot of people today don't, want to be married and have children, and as I go
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Rhiannon's Mother
18:07
no regrets, because my main goal in life was to raise my daughter and give her the best life I could, and I would never change thing. But I do think I, as a result of being a single parent, put my life on a back burner for many, many, many years, I didn't date a lot because, well, I was quite frankly tired for one for two. I was determined to make our home and everything we did a safe space, because I felt like she had been through so much at a young age just with a divorce, that I wasn't going to be that mom that was introducing her to different men in and out of her life, or letting her get attached to somebody that wasn't going to work out. So I was very selective and very didn't really date a whole lot, because I wanted to put her first, and then she was so very busy and so many things that there wasn't a lot of time for myself to be honest with you. Um, well, good
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Scott Murray
19:06
for you, good. Good for you, that you made that sacrifice because your daughter has turned out great and and obviously you've got some time now as she moves on with her life to maybe somebody might come into your life. So you never know. But I Yeah, God willing.
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Rhiannon Graham
19:23
So I'm curious just to ask you, what is it like to see me advocate for single parents on the state and national level and have these partnerships and just kind of have taken this on as my passion in life and as a future, future social worker.
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Rhiannon's Mother
19:38
Well, of course, it makes me proud, and I get teary eyed every time there's an event that she's, you know, advocating for her impact initiative and it but I've also had to open up some and share a lot of not so great details about being a single parent with her, because she since she has. Has taken this on a single parent, single but not alone. She digs and wants to know more from me, and I spent so many years, and you could probably know as a single mom, trying to not let her see the struggles. I wanted her just to have a normal childhood and enjoy life. I didn't want her to worry about money, how we're going to afford five meals, seven meals, whatever, for the next week. I was going to make that work, where I was going to get the gas to go to the next soccer game. I tried to suppress all that. So now, when she asked me, it's hard to I don't want to say Be truthful, but really go back and lay it out as bad as it was, you know, so little by little, you know, I've had to tell her more. And I think she, you know, I don't want to ruin her childhood, because, you know, she didn't realize that it was that rough.
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Stacie Martin
20:54
Well, to your point, you know, I would ask you now looking back, you know, do you feel like maybe you hid a little too much? Like,
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Rhiannon's Mother
21:08
yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe, um. But, you know, I guess it's a fine line, because I wouldn't really say it was sheltering her, but I wanted her to be a child as long as she could always have promoted dolls for as long as she wanted to play with it. All of that I just wanted, and I've always worked with children myself, so I I just wanted her not to be concerned with adult issues, because I feel like all too soon that you have to, you know. So I just wanted her to, you know, live life and enjoy it and know what she needed to know at those times.
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Scott Murray
21:46
I don't want to take sides here, but I'll sound like that the guy here, not the not the former father or anything. But I mean to your question, I think it's great what mom did. Would you not agree? Oh, absolutely.
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Stacie Martin
21:59
But I think sometimes, just speaking with so many single parents, you know, sometimes that really hurts us, and we can't be our best when we're hiding too much from our kiddos. And, you know, trying to feel like you have to hide your problems. Kind of affects your self worth? Well,
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Rhiannon's Mother
22:26
yeah, I guess, I guess I could see that, but I would, I would buy I'm the number one thing I even to this day, I still protect my children. My son made me a grandfather. My daughter is a an executive VP in a a major, major corporation that I'll, I'll not mention, but on the air, but it's one of the biggest corporations in in the country, and so I'm very proud of her, but she, she's such a workaholic, she hasn't had time to to get get married or, you know, but I know, you know, the day will come, but I even to this day, protect my daughter or defend, you know, as best I can. I don't know if that other, other grandfathers or other people my age do that, but I'll always be concerned about, you know. And of course, now I work with my son. I've worked with my son the last 15 plus years. You know, it just he's my business partner. I, I remember when, when we won our Emmy for the documentary we went to to Normandy with, you know, they told us, if you're if you're called, you get 20 seconds to say your thank you. You You know how the Emmy go at night, everybody talks forever, and they're Come on, and the music starts playing. So when they called our name, his his mother burst into tears and and and so we got up and he said, Dad, you want to hold the Emmy up there on the stage? They have one up there for everybody to hold. Or do you want to say the word? I said, it's up to you. He said, You talk. I'll hold the Emmy. I said, All right, well, I get up there, and I just said, I want to thank the academy. I guess that's what you're supposed to do here as we kick it off. Certainly thank the Academy for this incredible award, something I remember as a kid growing up, and many of my friends from NBC are here in front of me. It's great to see many of my my former working mates. But I said, the guy I really want to thank is this guy to my right, who was the photographer for for all that we, you know, all that we did. He shot all this incredible video and, you know, and then he also, he also happens to be my business partner, because we have a television production company together. But I said the most important thing is he also happens to be my son. Well, the audience just, you know, some people stood up and they started clapping. But, I mean, you could hear the, oh, the oh, you know, just blown away how emotional it was. And so that's, you know, that to this day, I still, you know, he's my business partner. Everybody's my son first, and always will be so I see, you know, well, said, yeah, that's that's I always, I watch over both of them to this day.
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Rhiannon Graham
25:09
And with that being said, what is your biggest advice after being a single parent for almost 20 years? What's your biggest advice to the single parents or single moms who may be listening? Oh, that's
25:20
a great question. Great question.
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Rhiannon's Mother
25:21
Yeah, first and foremost, I feel any sacrifice you make for your child, you will never regret, yep, child, first and foremost, any sacrifice you make you'll never regret, I'd have to say I would give that and don't give up. Every day is a new day, and you don't know what it brings
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Rhiannon Graham
25:41
on. Stacie poythressed A little bit about taking it day by day. She said she had Stacie yesterday, Stacie today and Stacie tomorrow. Can you kind of, you know, reside with that, that you feel the same?
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Rhiannon's Mother
25:53
Yeah, yeah. There's many days that I just would go to sleep and think, oh, you know, I got, how am I going to keep going, keep doing this, you know, day after day and and, you know, for your children, for your child, you know, it was my motivation, and I wanted her, and most people do, to have a better life than I had. There you go. You know, that was my drive. I wanted her to have a better life than me, and I didn't want her to suffer for the failed marriage or for any decisions I had made. I was determined that that was not going to be on, you know, carried upon her, you know. And I'd have to say, on that note, a little off topic, but that was one of the things that drove me to get the divorce to get out was it was alcohol abuse, and it started becoming verbal. And I told myself, Cindy, if you stay in this marriage, you are teaching your daughter that this is the way a man should treat a woman, and this is how life should be. Well said, Oh, I was determined that don't matter what it took we were going to make it. You had to get out, because I didn't want my child growing up and being a statistic, you know what I mean, of and and being mistreated and all of those things. I wanted better for her, and we set out to do it.
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Stacie Martin
27:25
Good for you. Well, your commitment to motherhood is amazing. You know, there's single dads out there that are kind of in a same boat. They play mom and dad as well, and that's what was the case in my life sometimes, you know, and I was blessed with an incredible stepmom, so I had my biological mom for 20 years, and then I have a stepmom who is amazing force to be reckoned with on any day. She's just amazing too.
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Rhiannon Graham
27:57
There's also grandparents, which I think a lot of people, when you think single parent, you think mom and dad, but there is many grandparents out there that are raising their grandchildren to that
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Stacie Martin
28:07
right alone. And you know that, I guess that's for Mother's Day, whether you're a dad or a mom or a grandparent or a stepmom or a stepdad or, you know, whatever your role is in the life of a child. You know your child, especially you know no one can replace you. No one can replace exactly who you are, what you are. And I think just knowing how very special you are and what an inspiration you are to re in and then, therefore to the rest of us, it is an honor for you to be our Mother's Day guest. And thank you for sharing your story with us, because I know if it's not sexy, sometimes we stuff it right, you know. And I heard you say I hit it a lot, you know. And I really empathize with that, because I did that too. But my heart for you is that you would would be able to to move about more freely and really enjoy this wonderful person you have raised, who we call Rhiannon.
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Rhiannon Graham
29:21
And that reason why I wanted to create single but not alone too, because single parents are going to go through struggles, but the goal is to make sure they don't go through it alone.
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Rhiannon's Mother
29:29
Absolutely,
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Speaker 1
29:29
absolutely and let me, Rhiannon, let's we've fallen in love with your daughter. There's no getting around that, but this is the first time we've met you. And first impressions can be positives, they can be negatives, but mine's mine's a real positive. What you've said here in the last 30 minutes has been above and beyond. So I just basically salute you. Certainly wish you a Happy Mother's Day. But more importantly, just say thank you. Thank you for what you've done for your daughter, and thank you for being the role model for certainly for others out there. And. I certainly hope that you'll, you'll realize that you are a difference maker of the nth degree. And it's, it's great stuff. And I just, I hope you go in the when you get home, you look in the mirror, give that person a thumbs up, because she's a rock star. And you've done a great job. You've done a great job. That's right. So until next time, the name of the program, because they matter. You got it. Everybody does. So don't forget, you can get it done because you can stay well.
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25:20
a great question. Great question.
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Rhiannon's Mother
25:21
Yeah, first and foremost, I feel any sacrifice you make for your child, you will never regret, yep, child, first and foremost, any sacrifice you make you'll never regret, I'd have to say I would give that and don't give up. Every day is a new day, and you don't know what it brings
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Rhiannon Graham
25:41
on. Stacie poythressed A little bit about taking it day by day. She said she had Stacie yesterday, Stacie today and Stacie tomorrow. Can you kind of, you know, reside with that, that you feel the same?
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Rhiannon's Mother
25:53
Yeah, yeah. There's many days that I just would go to sleep and think, oh, you know, I got, how am I going to keep going, keep doing this, you know, day after day and and, you know, for your children, for your child, you know, it was my motivation, and I wanted her, and most people do, to have a better life than I had. There you go. You know, that was my drive. I wanted her to have a better life than me, and I didn't want her to suffer for the failed marriage or for any decisions I had made. I was determined that that was not going to be on, you know, carried upon her, you know. And I'd have to say, on that note, a little off topic, but that was one of the things that drove me to get the divorce to get out was it was alcohol abuse, and it started becoming verbal. And I told myself, Cindy, if you stay in this marriage, you are teaching your daughter that this is the way a man should treat a woman, and this is how life should be. Well said, Oh, I was determined that don't matter what it took we were going to make it. You had to get out, because I didn't want my child growing up and being a statistic, you know what I mean, of and and being mistreated and all of those things. I wanted better for her, and we set out to do it.
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Stacie Martin
27:25
Good for you. Well, your commitment to motherhood is amazing. You know, there's single dads out there that are kind of in a same boat. They play mom and dad as well, and that's what was the case in my life sometimes, you know, and I was blessed with an incredible stepmom, so I had my biological mom for 20 years, and then I have a stepmom who is amazing force to be reckoned with on any day. She's just amazing too.
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Rhiannon Graham
27:57
There's also grandparents, which I think a lot of people, when you think single parent, you think mom and dad, but there is many grandparents out there that are raising their grandchildren to that
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Stacie Martin
28:07
right alone. And you know that, I guess that's for Mother's Day, whether you're a dad or a mom or a grandparent or a stepmom or a stepdad or, you know, whatever your role is in the life of a child. You know your child, especially you know no one can replace you. No one can replace exactly who you are, what you are. And I think just knowing how very special you are and what an inspiration you are to re in and then, therefore to the rest of us, it is an honor for you to be our Mother's Day guest. And thank you for sharing your story with us, because I know if it's not sexy, sometimes we stuff it right, you know. And I heard you say I hit it a lot, you know. And I really empathize with that, because I did that too. But my heart for you is that you would would be able to to move about more freely and really enjoy this wonderful person you have raised, who we call Rhiannon.
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Rhiannon Graham
And that reason why I wanted to create single but not alone too, because single parents are going to go through struggles, but the goal is to make sure they don't go through it alone.
Rhiannon's Mother
Absolutely,
Scott Murray
absolutely and let me, Rhiannon, let's we've fallen in love with your daughter. There's no getting around that, but this is the first time we've met you. And first impressions can be positives, they can be negatives, but mine's mine's a real positive. What you've said here in the last 30 minutes has been above and beyond. So I just basically salute you. Certainly wish you a Happy Mother's Day. But more importantly, just say thank you. Thank you for what you've done for your daughter, and thank you for being the role model for certainly for others out there. And. I certainly hope that you'll, you'll realize that you are a difference maker of the nth degree. And it's, it's great stuff. And I just, I hope you go in the when you get home, you look in the mirror, give that person a thumbs up, because she's a rock star. And you've done a great job. You've done a great job. That's right. So until next time, the name of the program, because they matter. You got it. Everybody does. So don't forget, you can get it done because you can stay well.
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